Thinking about doing a 48th MH-60S

[doupnik]

I am thinking about making a MH-60S using either the Italeri MH-60G or MH-60K and some Cobra Company bits.

It looks like either kit should be a good starting point, though the G is a bit cheaper. I was looking at Cobra Company's site and it looks like the DAP weapons set would have the ESSS stub wings I am thinking about putting on. Has anyone looked at them, are they the same as what might be put on the MH-60S? And if I put the ESSS, what can I hang off them beside Hellfire? If I put Hellfire on, it'd would probably need the FLIR, right?

I was also thinking about picking up the seats and wheels, cause those Italeri seats stink. Would the CC bits be ok for the S?

TIA

mason

Edited October 31, 2009 by doupnik

[HeavyArty]

The MH-60S can have the ESSS wings installed, just like all Army UH-60Ls can. However, I have only seen a few MH-60Ss with ESSS wings installed. The one s I have seen were the shorter (single hard-point) type in the CC DAP set.

Here is one.

[doupnik]

The MH-60S can have the ESSS wings installed, just like all Army UH-60Ls can. However, I have only seen a few MH-60Ss with ESSS wings installed. The one s I have seen were the shorter (single hard-point) type in the CC DAP set.

Here is one.

Gino

I found a pic just like that one in my search, so I am interested in giving it a go. Thanks for the input.

Of course I may just go plain jane, choices, choices.

mason

[shark 64]

Hi Mason.

How about that helo in 1/35 scale. It would be a great conversion using the Army bird from MRC.

I am sure the 1/48 scale would work to. Can you tell I am adding pressure to your decision .LOL

Bottom line get it all. Resin, Photoetched....ect.

Oliver

[Andrew Doppel]

Don't know much about US configurations Mason, but I used the 1/48 Italeri MH-60G for my Aussie S-70 Blackhawk (with a lot of scratch building) and I don't recall that kit having the wings in the box unless they've made a new boxing I'm not aware of. Isn't there a Hobbycraft or other manufacturer (not Italeri) version as well? I know that one does have the wings but the twin pylon ones

Regards

Andrew

[rotorwash]

Mason,

Don't know diddly about MH-60S's but I did want to congratulate you for getting your AH-1T into FSM. Got my copy today. She looks great!

Ray

[doupnik]

Hi Mason.

How about that helo in 1/35 scale. It would be a great conversion using the Army bird from MRC.

I am sure the 1/48 scale would work to. Can you tell I am adding pressure to your decision .LOL

Bottom line get it all. Resin, Photoetched....ect.

Oliver

I am sticking to 48th, for now. I barely have room for my 48th 53E, so no 35th scale H-60s. Shouldn't you be working on your avionics bay?

Don't know much about US configurations Mason, but I used the 1/48 Italeri MH-60G for my Aussie S-70 Blackhawk (with a lot of scratch building) and I don't recall that kit having the wings in the box unless they've made a new boxing I'm not aware of. Isn't there a Hobbycraft or other manufacturer (not Italeri) version as well? I know that one does have the wings but the twin pylon ones

Regards

Andrew :D

The kit doesn't come with the ESSS, I am looking at the following Cobra Company sets:

The ESSS from this one.

Wheels and seats from here.

And maybe weapons from this one.

Mason,

Don't know diddly about MH-60S's but I did want to congratulate you for getting your AH-1T into FSM. Got my copy today. She looks great!

Ray

Thank you Ray. Now if I can get my 53E in there this time.

Now to decide which one to build.

mason

[shark 64]

I am sticking to 48th, for now. I barely have room for my 48th 53E, so no 35th scale H-60s. Shouldn't you be working on your avionics bay?

The kit doesn't come with the ESSS, I am looking at the following Cobra Company sets:

The ESSS from this one.

Wheels and seats from here.

And maybe weapons from this one.

Thank you Ray. Now if I can get my 53E in there this time.

Now to decide which one to build.

mason

Hi Mason.

Yes. I should indeed.

OLiver

[Avus]

Sorry Mason, can't help you with pictures of info, but I'll definitively be on the lookout for this one!

[Par429]

Mason-

Great project. As noted above, the MH-60S AHWS (Armed Helo Weapon System or just Armed Helo) can only mount the short (one hardpoint) ESSS wings (called EWS wings by the Navy), they are exactly the same as the Army. At the moment Hellfire is your only choice for weapons on the wings, but other things may be coming in the future, such as rockets. You can also put GAU-21 .50 cals in the doors and M240D 7.62 guns in the gunners windows. You can even put all of this one the same helo.

Looking forward to this.

Phil

[doupnik]

Mason-

Great project. As noted above, the MH-60S AHWS (Armed Helo Weapon System or just Armed Helo) can only mount the short (one hardpoint) ESSS wings (called EWS wings by the Navy), they are exactly the same as the Army. At the moment Hellfire is your only choice for weapons on the wings, but other things may be coming in the future, such as rockets. You can also put GAU-21 .50 cals in the doors and M240D 7.62 guns in the gunners windows. You can even put all of this one the same helo.

Looking forward to this.

Phil

Phil

If I put on the EWS and Hellfire, is it also going to need the FLIR?

I've sen some pics of H-60s with guns mounted, sounds interesting, EWS would limit what I put on, but definitely worth looking into.

Does anyone know if I could put ALE-39s on it? I don't know if I've seen pics of it. If so does it go in the same place as the SH-60 and HH-60?

mason

[Par429]

Mason

Yes, you would need the FLIR for the Hellfire. You can mount all the guns with the EWS wings on also. There are different stops on the gun mounts for wings on/off to keep you from shoooting up the wings.

The ALE-47 dispensers are on the forward end of the tailboom like the HH-60H, but they are angled forward and down. I'll see if I have a decent picture.

Good Luck,

Phil

[evnewsphoto]

Mason, no break after the 53? If I may offer you some insight on kits to use if you want, I built the Minnicraft MH-60K and Iterlia MH-60G but swaped kit parts and in the end thought the Minicraft was way better than the Italeri to build, especially the clear parts (one peice roof not the fiddly 2 clear parts) and if you want the ESS wings they are in the Minicraft kit. As a plus you maybe able to find it cheaper too, I remember paying $15 or so for it from squadron (they don't carry it anymore).

[doupnik]

Mason, no break after the 53? If I may offer you some insight on kits to use if you want, I built the Minnicraft MH-60K and Iterlia MH-60G but swaped kit parts and in the end thought the Minicraft was way better than the Italeri to build, especially the clear parts (one peice roof not the fiddly 2 clear parts) and if you want the ESS wings they are in the Minicraft kit. As a plus you maybe able to find it cheaper too, I remember paying $15 or so for it from squadron (they don't carry it anymore).

Actually I am doing a nearly OOB Eduard's 48th scale Hellcat and finishing a Has F-8, then probably the MH-60.

Thanks for the info on the Minicraft vs Italeri H-60s, unfortunately, I picked up the Italeri MH-60G today. Did you use the ESS? If not I'd be interested in trading for them.

mason

[shark 64]

Actually I am doing a nearly OOB Eduard's 48th scale Hellcat and finishing a Has F-8, then probably the MH-60.

Thanks for the info on the Minicraft vs Italeri H-60s, unfortunately, I picked up the Italeri MH-60G today. Did you use the ESS? If not I'd be interested in trading for them.

mason

Mason.

No rest for the wicked.....! Are you going down to Buena Park for the swapmeet this Sunday?

Oliver

[doupnik]

Mason.

No rest for the wicked.....! Are you going down to Buena Park for the swapmeet this Sunday?

Oliver

Depends, you still in for the Desert Classic on Sat?

mason

[shark 64]

Depends, you still in for the Desert Classic on Sat?

mason

Hi Mason.

I had forgotten about that. Yes I will go. Not entering anything anyway. I will probably go to the swapmeet too.

Oliver

[evnewsphoto]

Actually I am doing a nearly OOB Eduard's 48th scale Hellcat and finishing a Has F-8, then probably the MH-60.

:sunrevolves:Thanks for the info on the Minicraft vs Italeri H-60s, unfortunately, I picked up the Italeri MH-60G today. Did you use the ESS? If not I'd be interested in trading for them.

mason

Mason, I may still have it in my spares box and can take a look for you, I am not sure what to trade for and I could send them to you for free, I am sure the postage wouldn't be more than a few stamps. I just was looking at some photos of the kit on line and they are tilted upwards I think in a gull wing fashion. That said they may work for you, I will look when I get home. As far as the multi project thing I know what you mean, as you know I am 99.9% done with my 53E (epoxyed it to my flight deck base yesterday just have to add tie downs and chocks which I made) and I am starting up again on a CH-46E (Academy again and similar detail work and open panels etc) and I am working on a 48th MV-22 here at work in my down time (just started, lots of correction work needed). And on top of all that I have been thinking of restarting my HH-60H project, Cobra Co conversion Italeri SH-60B kit since there are finally decals coming out for the camoed one I wanted to do from HS-6 Indians (I made decals for a grey bird). HH-60Hs seem to be in vouge lattley don't know if saw this one; http://www.scale-rotors.com/gallery/attack...60h-rescue-hawk-italeri it has me inspired. OK enough of my to do list, I have a 23 month old to raise and she comes first and the projects can wait, naptime is the best time for model work though! I'll let you know about the ESS wings, I still have your e-mail, Everett

Edited November 3, 2009 by evnewsphoto

[evnewsphoto]

Mason, I may still have it in my spares box and can take a look for you, I am not sure what to trade for and I could send them to you for free, I am sure the postage wouldn't be more than a few stamps. I just was looking at some photos of the kit on line and they are tilted upwards I think in a gull wing fashion. That said they may work for you, I will look when I get home. As far as the multi project thing I know what you mean, as you know I am 99.9% done with my 53E (epoxyed it to my flight deck base yesterday just have to add tie downs and chocks which I made) and I am starting up again on a CH-46E (Academy again and similar detail work and open panels etc) and I am working on a 48th MV-22 here at work in my down time (just started, lots of correction work needed). And on top of all that I have been thinking of restarting my HH-60H project, Cobra Co conversion Italeri SH-60B kit since there are finally decals coming out for the camoed one I wanted to do from HS-6 Indians (I made decals for a grey bird). HH-60Hs seem to be in vouge lattley don't know if saw this one; http://www.scale-rotors.com/gallery/attack...60h-rescue-hawk-italeri it has me inspired. OK enough of my to do list, I have a 23 month old to raise and she comes first and the projects can wait, naptime is the best time for model work though! I'll let you know about the ESS wings, I still have your e-mail, Everett

[HeavyArty]

I just was looking at some photos of the kit on line and they are tilted upwards I think in a gull wing fashion. That said they may work for you, I will look when I get home.

If they are from the MH-60K kit, they are not correct. The US military didn't go with the upswept ESSS wings.

[doupnik]

Mason, I may still have it in my spares box and can take a look for you, I am not sure what to trade for and I could send them to you for free, I am sure the postage wouldn't be more than a few stamps. I just was looking at some photos of the kit on line and they are tilted upwards I think in a gull wing fashion. That said they may work for you, I will look when I get home. As far as the multi project thing I know what you mean, as you know I am 99.9% done with my 53E (epoxyed it to my flight deck base yesterday just have to add tie downs and chocks which I made) and I am starting up again on a CH-46E (Academy again and similar detail work and open panels etc) and I am working on a 48th MV-22 here at work in my down time (just started, lots of correction work needed). And on top of all that I have been thinking of restarting my HH-60H project, Cobra Co conversion Italeri SH-60B kit since there are finally decals coming out for the camoed one I wanted to do from HS-6 Indians (I made decals for a grey bird). HH-60Hs seem to be in vouge lattley don't know if saw this one; http://www.scale-rotors.com/gallery/attack...60h-rescue-hawk-italeri it has me inspired. OK enough of my to do list, I have a 23 month old to raise and she comes first and the projects can wait, naptime is the best time for model work though! I'll let you know about the ESS wings, I still have your e-mail, Everett

Please post pics of your 53, looked great last pics I saw. :) I saw that HH-60H, damn it's nice, and inspirational. As Gino mentioned, sounds like the wrong ESSS, but thank you.

Started looking at the kit last night and this looks to be a fun project. I will finish my current builds and figure out what I want to do.

Thanks for the input guys.

mason

[twong]

Mason,

The Italeri 1/48 MH-60K is probably a good start. It has both the gull wing pylons and the long pylon with the two hardpoints. You could probably modify the long pylon to shorten it to be the shorter single hardpoint pylon used by the MH-60S. If you are building the one with the pylons, chaf/flare dispersers and FLIR you have to be careful with the little winglets on the forward part of the tail boom. The MH-60S with all those attachments have the winglets moved a little further back than the MH-60S's that do not carry those attachments.

Terence.