Don Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hello all, I have some questions regarding the Mi-24 Hind D that I hope some of the experts here can assist me in answering. So get comfortable, strap yourself in as here we go: a. First off, I want my Hind to have Infrared Suppression Cool Air Mixers (ISCAM) in place over the gaping exhaust holes. However, aside from the front cover drawing of the Hinds on the Squadron “In Action†book, I cannot seem to locate any good photos of Hinds with these installed. Does anyone have any good photos of a Hind(s) with these installed that they could share or provide a link for? Are these not used very often? b. Would a Soviet/Russian Hind D as used during the war in Afghanistan use the ISCAM’s (as mentioned in "a." above), chaff/flare dispenser on the underside of the tail boom, and have an IRCM jammer retrofitted to it (or at least the base but perhaps not the actual jammer)? c. What about the VHF/HF antenna mast on the upper tail boom, would a Russian/Soviet Hind in Afghanistan have the modifications/updates as mentioned in “b.†above and have the later VHF/HF antenna or the earlier UHF/VHF mast? d. Where might a person find some good photos of Russian/Soviet Hinds as used in Afghanistan? What about some aftermarket decals for Russian/Soviet Afghanistan operational Hinds? Do any exist in 1/48 or will I need to piece markings together from different sources. Whew…I told you to get comfortable and strap in :lol: ! I know that my list above is a tall order, but I have absolute faith in the experts of ARC . As always, I appreciate your time, efforts, and your sharing of information and knowledge. Kindest Regards, Don :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intruder_bass Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Ok, Don Unfortunatly there are not too many photos of Afganistan War Hinds exist! I faced that when I started to collect info about our troops in Afgan couple of years back. First off...the Infrared Suppression Cool Air Mixers wasnt installed at the beggining of war. Same with flare dispensers. They where as a reaction to Stinger used by majaheads. This are the pics of a model...or I shoud say of a masterpiece in 1/32 scale. Note how detailed is the model! But these are photos of real AC: Last photo shows the flare dispencers not just hanging from the taiboom but made as a factory mod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intruder_bass Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Jammer installed... More photos of Infrared Suppression Cool Air Mixers HTH Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intruder_bass Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Now here is what I found in my "Afganistan folder" The last photo is of Mi-8... I just posted it to show the Infrared Suppression Cool Air Mixers in action 8-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Piotrek.S. Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Infrared Suppression Cool Air Mixers are used together with modified engines mounted in Hinds V . Trumpy model shown at this post i actualy V version Hind. Flare dispensers under tail boom and Ispanka ifrared jammer are standard mid series of D version. Flare dispensers mounted on flusage sides are modifications of mid V series. If you see a photo of a Hind in Afghanistan with ISCAM I would say it`s a 99% Hind V. Engines prepared for ISCAM have straight (90 degrees angle to ground) exhaust pipes and additional strongpoints arround them Like this one here D`s engines exhaust pipes are cut a little bit diffierent and have no strongpoints ->Example<- But I found a Hind D with engines prepared for ISCAM ->PROOF<- It`s look like V flusage (engines, Bierioza anntenas under cockpit) with D weapon systems (Falanga antitank missiles rails). So....everything is possible This photo of three Polish Hinds shows very good difierences between ISCAM (a/c in the middle) and no ISCAM exhaust. Middle "584" Hind is same D/V modification like helo from upper pic. Edited April 6, 2007 by Piotrek.S. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Guys...this is FANTASTIC information! I have a lot to digest here. Please, please keep it comming! MANY thanks ! Regards, Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intruder_bass Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Trumpy model shown at this post i actualy V version Hind. Flare dispensers under tail boom and Ispanka ifrared jammer are standard mid series of D version. Flare dispensers mounted on flusage sides are modifications of mid V series. Excuse me "Trumpy model"? what model in this post are you refering to? Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Not all Hind-Ds could carry the IR suppressors. They had to be fitted with the later engines that had "straight cut" exhaust pipes. Those with the angled pipes, like in the color photo above with the soldiers standing in the front couldn't carry them. I think all Hind -E and Hind-F models were set up for the suppressors, but only some late Hind -Ds were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intruder_bass Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 That is correct. "By the end of 1981 new Mi-24V were delivered to 40th army in Afganistan, with new TVZ-117V which had 15-20% more power. If any of D models required change of an engine - they were equiped with these new engines..." Thats why IR suppressors can be on any Hind model exept for very early Ds info taken from here: http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/afgan/mi24/mi24.html Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Piotrek.S. Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Excuse me "Trumpy model"?what model in this post are you refering to? Andy I was talking about 1/32 Hind shown in this post, on second thought Trumpeter model is 1/35 . Not all Hind-Ds could carry the IR suppressors. They had to be fitted with the later engines that had "straight cut" exhaust pipes. Those with the angled pipes, like in the color photo above with the soldiers standing in the front couldn't carry them. I think all Hind -E and Hind-F models were set up for the suppressors, but only some late Hind -Ds were. Exactly!! Photos I`ve posted shows differences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 Well I have ordered some of the excellent materials from Cobra Company Resin, specifically the "exterior set": http://www.cobracompany.com/48018.htm and the "cockpit set": http://www.cobracompany.com/48001.htm I would still like to do a Russian/Soviet Hind 'D' as used in Afghanistan, and it seems as though it will have to be a late model 'D', which is fine with me. Thank you all so very much for your exceptional information and insight ! I am sure that I will have many more questions as I progress through this build. I know much more about the Hind today then I did this time yesterday, with much more to learn yet. So I am more then open to whatever additional information you experts can throw my way :lol: . Kindest Regards to all, Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Intruder_bass Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I was talking about 1/32 Hind shown in this post, on second thought Trumpeter model is 1/35 . Oh... That model is not Trumpeter one. It is in 1/32 scale and its all built from scratch! If you folow the link on the pictures you will find more info on that build and more photos. That dude started the buid in 1986 and finished it in 2001. Something tells me he new what he was doing)))))))) Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Interesting photos! Interesting to know the story behind that 1/32 Hind as well. Fabulous model! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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