Ghostkiller Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 hello guys my girlfriend just bought me the 2 seater first I will build the single seater again but this time it will be fully optioned I have the full zacto kit "nose canopy and air intakes" and aires set : cockpit weel bay and exhaust and eduards photoetched parts My question is : Do I need correct air intakes and nose from zactomodels for the ub version are they the same for the 2 seater ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Intakes are corrected, and the canopy is right shape wise. Nose is still of if i remember. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 planning to do this bird for the single seat and the twin seat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Considering the already high price of the kit, I would think the UB version should work reasonably well without the Zacto set. The single-seater on the other hand cries for Zactoman's parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 planning to do this bird for the single seat and the twin seat Nice choice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 planning to do this bird for the single seat and the twin seat Note that the Su-27UB in the photograph is an early-build variant. It does not have the prominent chaff/flare 'boxes' either side of the tailboom. You will need to modify it to be accurate..... there are other Ukrainian splinter-camo Su-27's & Su-27UB's - check your refs. Keep us informed of build progress. Happy Flankering..... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Note that the Su-27UB in the photograph is an early-build variant.It does not have the prominent chaff/flare 'boxes' either side of the tailboom. You will need to modify it to be accurate..... there are other Ukrainian splinter-camo Su-27's & Su-27UB's - check your refs. Keep us informed of build progress. Happy Flankering..... Ken Here comes the flanker expert thks and yes I will update I have a full set from zacto so I will build the 2 seater first and do dry fit first to see if I really need another nose and air intakes from zactoman trust me it changes the bird look a lot and ohhhh my god I need room 3 flanker in 1/32 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geedubelyer Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Hi Ghostkiller, Good luck with your builds. I hope you post an in-progress report so that we can all see how it looks. IIRC, Trumpeter have improved the intakes for the -UB (it is thought that they copied the resin aftermarket bits) but looking at the comparison pics, even the improved parts are no match for the Zactomodels parts. See here If you want to build a good looking Flanker, use the Zactomodels corrections for the nose and intakes. :blink: :huh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ok I will will add comparaison shots in few minutes I was just wandering if the ub version was using the same parts as the single seat in real life I had a big doubt for some reason on the nose specially Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Ghostkiller Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ok my conclusion : simple nose cone : zacto wins by far air intakes : trumpeters equals in size but zacto wins on details even if the the copy of zacto master is really obvious I will go with zacto models : Zactoman : I will need another set of nose and intakes for the single seat as I will use that one for the 2 seater thks Chris :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leverancier Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 ????? looks identical to me. So the zacto parts seem a total waste of money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 ????? looks identical to me. So the zacto parts seem a total waste of money. no no no shape is off for the nose cone only the intakes shape is good but the panel lines are a bit off u have to have the zacto parts in hand to understand my point of view is if I am building a 1/32 scale those differences are a big deal for me and they are more noticeable due to the size so I would rather use zacto kits The flanker deserves that speacially when I have 2 flanker single seat with corrections added : the UB without them will look like he is not part of the band :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ok I will will add comparaison shots in few minutesI was just wandering if the ub version was using the same parts as the single seat in real life I had a big doubt for some reason on the nose specially :) The Su-27 and Su-27UB are exactly the same in all parts - except for the upper fuselage, canopy, airbrake shape and fins. The 1:72 scale Airfix Su-27 and Heller Su-27UB are the same kit - with a new upper fuselage moulding, new two-seat cockpit tub, new canopy & new fins in the Heller kit. Everything else is the same - dimensionall they are the same (except for the taller fins on the -UB). Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 thks Flankerman :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Those part improvements from Trumpeter are good but they still have to put some attention on details. The nose cone is still way off, Zacto's looks far better. Here a lovely shot to appreciate a late splintered Su-27UB in Ukranian markings, it features the large chaff/flare boxes at the tail boom: Ukranian SU-27 by Chris Lofting We need these decals in 1/32! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Firecaptain Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Are the fins different in the new Trumpy UB? they are the same (except for the taller fins on the -UB).Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Considering the already high price of the kit, I would think the UB version should work reasonably well without the Zacto set.The single-seater on the other hand cries for Zactoman's parts. I may be wrong (1/32 is not my scale at all), but didn't Trumpeter rework the parts in recent "lots" of the single-seater Flankers? ;) In any case, I for one am glad the 1/72 kit isn't out yet. Maybe that means the little kits will not suffer from shape errors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I may be wrong (1/32 is not my scale at all), but didn't Trumpeter rework the parts in recent "lots" of the single-seater Flankers? ;)In any case, I for one am glad the 1/72 kit isn't out yet. Maybe that means the little kits will not suffer from shape errors. You might be right, Moritz. What comes to the 1/72 kit, I remember that Haneto was hinting at that direction. They will come although it might still take some time, but when they come, they shouldn't have the problems the "Block 1" Trumpy Flankers have (had?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 I may be wrong (1/32 is not my scale at all), but didn't Trumpeter rework the parts in recent "lots" of the single-seater Flankers? In any case, I for one am glad the 1/72 kit isn't out yet. Maybe that means the little kits will not suffer from shape errors. yes they had redone the single seater I have it but not good enough regarding the tails they are higher see pics below on the right the ub version I am adding a comparaison with the nose on dry fit too pics at same angle and same distance I prefer zacto shape your thought guys ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EagleDriver Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Does the single seater, which is manufactured in 2008, also has the corrected parts ? :huh: Greetz, Luc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostkiller Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Does the single seater, which is manufactured in 2008, also has the corrected parts ? :huh: Greetz, Luc yesl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Does the single seater, which is manufactured in 2008, also has the corrected parts ? :huh: Greetz, Luc I dont know *when* they started with the corrected parts on single seater, but your best guess is to look inside the box, or ask the seller. But it looks like they started sometime in 2008 yes. I dont know if anyone have spotted differences between old kit, and the "new" kit with improved parts on the box? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eliminator Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 We definitly need that kind of stuff for our big Tomcats!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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