rotorwash Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Gary asked me to post some pics of this bird. Below is the info he provided to me. I think it would make an interesting "what-if" scheme if nothing else. The young fellow in the photo is none other than Mr. Schmidt himself. Ray PS: Just so there's no misunderstanding, the Marines NEVER EVER flew the AH-1F. Don't want to be accused of spreading false intel. "I used to live on the central FL east coast in Brevard Co. .Whre the shuttle goes up. Anyway there's a stong veterans group there on Meritt Island . They got a hold of a surplus UH-1H and an AH-1F to place on mounts in front of the meeting building. The hurricanes in 2004 damaged them a little and the were lowered to the ground .My wife and I went to see them and take pics." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperCobra Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) PS: Just so there's no misunderstanding, the Marines NEVER EVER flew the AH-1F. Don't want to be accused of spreading false intel. Thanks for the great pics. I would never ever accuse anyone of spreading false intel! You arre right Marines never flew that aircraft as an AH-1F but if that serial number is correct they did while that particular aircraft before it became an AH-1F: 817023 AH-1G 8-Sep-69 USAACOM FORT WORTH 19-Sep-69 VMO-2 DANANG 17-Dec-69 HML-367 MARBLE MOUNTAIN 23-Jul-71 H&MS 16 CRAA SANTA ANA 18-Jan-72 H&MS 16 SANTA ANA 22-May-72 HMA-169 CAMP PENDLETON 1-Aug-76 MARTD ATLANTA 16-Oct-78 MASDC DMAFB 17-Oct-78 SOC ADMIN Edited March 19, 2009 by SuperCobra Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joseph Osborn Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So, the USMC never, ever flew the AH-1F, but they DID fly THAT Cobra which started out as an AH-1G and ended up as an AH-1F. Perfectly legitimate paint job, IMHO! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperCobra Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So, the USMC never, ever flew the AH-1F, but they DID fly THAT Cobra which started out as an AH-1G and ended up as an AH-1F. Perfectly legitimate paint job, IMHO! ...and the paint job is very similar to the scheme used by the squadron that flew this aircraft in Vietnam. Too bad they didn't have the resources to back date it. I only know of one USMC AH-1G on display - at NAS Atlanta or whatever they call it now. Don't know if it is still there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 ...and the paint job is very similar to the scheme used by the squadron that flew this aircraft in Vietnam. Too bad they didn't have the resources to back date it. I only know of one USMC AH-1G on display - at NAS Atlanta or whatever they call it now. Don't know if it is still there. You know, I am the one who says Never say Never but I did at the beginning of this thread and look where it got me! Man, you guys are killin' me. So as if it weren't confusing enough, the Marines didn't fly F's but they flew this aircraft which is now an F but wasn't an F when it started life as a G which is what the Army flew but which the Marines got a few of but never converted to F's which this is, however, this was a former Marine bird. That about cover it? Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrittMac Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well that is a neat little story about that bird. This makes me ask another question though. How much of that bird's sheetmetal is possibly original? I know that things could have been damaged and replaced and all, but it makes me how much could have been. What was replaced in upgrades and conversions and so on and so on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra nut Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Very nice photo's guys. I can't help thinking how nice this cobra art would look on a "G" model. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You know, I am the one who says Never say Never but I did at the beginning of this thread and look where it got me! Man, you guys are killin' me. So as if it weren't confusing enough, the Marines didn't fly F's but they flew this aircraft which is now an F but wasn't an F when it started life as a G which is what the Army flew but which the Marines got a few of but never converted to F's which this is, however, this was a former Marine bird. That about cover it? Ray You had to say it that way, didnt you?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 According to Popasmoke, her BuNo was 158228. Interesting history there, and it proves that there is more than meets the eye. At first glance I'd have been jumping up and down screaming bull$#it, but in this case, that is a legit scheme that that airframe carried! Apparently she was with the 7th Cav in 1990 and ended her career with the Maryland Guard! Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 According to Popasmoke, her BuNo was 158228. Interesting history there, and it proves that there is more than meets the eye. At first glance I'd have been jumping up and down screaming bull$#it, but in this case, that is a legit scheme that that airframe carried! Apparently she was with the 7th Cav in 1990 and ended her career with the Maryland Guard!Jon Which unit of the 7th Cav? I don't remember the tail number in my unit, C Troop, 1-7 Cav, 1 Cav. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
centaur567 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 "Holy Crap Batman" This is why this site is such a trip . When I first asked about Army birds going to the Marines I, was kinda hoping that my bird ended up in the USMC . Guess not ! Oh well it would have been cool. Gary Semper Fi :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Which unit of the 7th Cav? I don't remember the tail number in my unit, C Troop, 1-7 Cav, 1 Cav.Floyd Dunno, someone else's research. It just mentioned that the bird was with 7th cav in 1990. Didn't say which battalion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperCobra Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 According to Popasmoke, her BuNo was 158228. Interesting history there, and it proves that there is more than meets the eye. At first glance I'd have been jumping up and down screaming bull$#it, but in this case, that is a legit scheme that that airframe carried! Apparently she was with the 7th Cav in 1990 and ended her career with the Maryland Guard!Jon I wouldn't believe that post on Popasmoke (http://www.popasmoke.com/notam2/archive/index.php/t-4102.html) - sorry Tank I know you were just quoting someone else. 158228 was a C-130. The bunos from the AH-1Gs from the Army were 157204-157241 (missing one? - higher math). However, I think we kept the serial numbers and never painted the bunos on. At least I've never seen pictures with bunos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperCobra Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 According to Popasmoke, her BuNo was 158228. Interesting history there, and it proves that there is more than meets the eye. At first glance I'd have been jumping up and down screaming bull$#it, but in this case, that is a legit scheme that that airframe carried! Apparently she was with the 7th Cav in 1990 and ended her career with the Maryland Guard!Jon Speaking of "jumping up and down screaming bull$#it", can we retire the and replace it with something like this except it says BS. I'd find that quite usefull here! B) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 According to Popasmoke, her BuNo was 158228. Interesting history there, and it proves that there is more than meets the eye. At first glance I'd have been jumping up and down screaming bull$#it, but in this case, that is a legit scheme that that airframe carried! Apparently she was with the 7th Cav in 1990 and ended her career with the Maryland Guard!Jon I wouldn't believe that post on Popasmoke (http://www.popasmoke.com/notam2/archive/index.php/t-4102.html) - sorry Tank I know you were just quoting someone else. 158228 was a C-130. The bunos from the AH-1Gs from the Army were 157204-157241 (missing one? - higher math). However, I think we kept the serial numbers and never painted the bunos on. At least I've never seen pictures with bunos. Ouch.....Chuckie that hurts. Let me count the dagger in my back. First I am good looking, then you have me in the Army, than a Zero and the final dagger to finish me off is I am flying Apaches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Ouch.....Chuckie that hurts. Let me count the dagger in my back. First I am good looking, then you have me in the Army, than a Zero and the final dagger to finish me off is I am flying Apaches. Oh that has got to hurt. <_< Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperCobra Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Ouch.....Chuckie that hurts. Let me count the dagger in my back. First I am good looking, then you have me in the Army, than a Zero and the final dagger to finish me off is I am flying Apaches. Tank - having never met in person I can't verify the looks portion, for the rest of it howver I definately didn't confuse you and Jon. I was referering to your post on Popasmoke: "Ryan01-16-2004, 14:30 Another gent from your group posted the same question on a different forum and I checked this forum’s posts. AH-1G 68-17023 was USMC 158228 Posted on this forum last April by Tom, might help somebody remember something about that bird. http://www.popasmoke.com/notam2/showthread...ghlight=6817023 Semper Fi, Ryan" Which I thought is what Jon was also reffering to although he may have been referring to the original Popasmoke post (which I can not find). Bottom line is both Tank and Jon were victims of the original misinformation which just didn't smell right to me. 168XXX was too late to be used as on AH-1Gs. A quick google confirmed it 158228 was a C-130 and i had the AH-1G bunos in my references; the rest as they say is "accurate history." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marine4 ever Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Wow Ryan! I didn't know you jumped branches. As for the good lookin' part..... well i've seen pictures and can assure you that you are anything but good looking! I think he was confused as far as apache driver and apache target! Semper Fi Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 OH MY GOD.... HELL HAS FROZEN OVER... An Army aviator confused by a bunch of Marines? Who'da thunk it?!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) ...and the paint job is very similar to the scheme used by the squadron that flew this aircraft in Vietnam. Should be, the guy who painted it in Vietnam is the same person who helped with that one and the Corgi AH-1G, IIRC. Edited March 20, 2009 by Tank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Tank - having never met in person I can't verify the looks portion, for the rest of it howver I definately didn't confuse you and Jon. I was referering to your post on Popasmoke: "Ryan01-16-2004, 14:30 Another gent from your group posted the same question on a different forum and I checked this forum’s posts. AH-1G 68-17023 was USMC 158228 Posted on this forum last April by Tom, might help somebody remember something about that bird. http://www.popasmoke.com/notam2/showthread...ghlight=6817023 Semper Fi, Ryan" Which I thought is what Jon was also reffering to although he may have been referring to the original Popasmoke post (which I can not find). Bottom line is both Tank and Jon were victims of the original misinformation which just didn't smell right to me. 168XXX was too late to be used as on AH-1Gs. A quick google confirmed it 158228 was a C-130 and i had the AH-1G bunos in my references; the rest as they say is "accurate history." Damn.....talk about a time machine. I can't find the post either. I guess "Tom" was wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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