Matt Roberts Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 A SPOTTING OF THE DREADED 32ND INTRUDER!!!! Swiped from Large Scale Planes thread with Dave Roof's critique of the AV-8B Harrier kit (very good and informative - even for a non-rivet counter like me!). Thanks to Dave Mason for this news http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=26854 Hi Dave and all LSP Harrier fans, I met with Trumpeter Public Relations Director Jackson Xiao in Manila this past weekend and we went over Dave Root's comments on this forum regarding their recently released AV-8B Harrier early version. Jackson will take these comments back to the factory this week and present them to the kit engineering team. They will assess the situation and come up with a plan. I know that the gun pod will be changed and the missing launch rails will be added. But I can't say what they might do about the other discrepancies. As soon as I hear something I will pass it on to you. Certainly there is sufficient time to make sure the next three Harrier versions receive these corrections. By the way the next up 1/32 kits will be the Mig-23 series, the IL-2, the Bf-109G/K series, the A-4 Skyhawk series, and the long awaited A-6 series(IT LIVES!!- Matt). We saw the IL-2 and Bf-109 test shots this weekend (I'll link as soon as they show on IPMS Phillipines along with any other news - Le Rumourmongre) and they look pretty good. By now you've all heard that Trumpeter will be doing a Bae Jaguar series. Both the French A model and the RAF GR-3 will be done. If you consider yoursef knowledgeable on the Jaguar please contact me and get involved in the development process. Don't wait till it comes out to complain that they didn't get it right. Help Trumpeter get it right. Dave Mason IPMS Philippines IPMS USA davidmasonmd11capt@yahoo.com I think Dave is still around here and wasn't a casualty of the Kinetic Viper Wars, so hopefully he'll chine in here. Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drhornii Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 The 1/32 A-6 is like the Loch Ness monster...you think it is gone then it rares it head.....ole Nessie spotting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dave Root? Is he related to Robbie Root? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Roberts Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dave Root? Is he related to Robbie Root? His typo not mine...notice no 'tehs' Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedHeadKevin Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Ouch... Looks like Trumpy really dropped the ball on that Harrier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 A 1/32 Bf109G/K series? Why on earth are they wasting their time? I'm not one of the "we don't need another 109 kit" crowd, but the Hasegawa 1/32 G/K kits (and soon an F) are just about as good as it gets. I don't get these guys. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroman Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Sadly, they'll probably still be including complete engines and open access doors on all these, further driving up the cost. As much as I love the Intruder the mere thought of the potential cost ($200+?) is a no-go. Sure wish HB would plop down a new Tadpole in the One True Scale... Edited November 23, 2009 by metroman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Seems like Trumpeter have started to care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alternative 4 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Take my wallet!!! and my bank numbers!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kylie newton Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hay, thanks for the up-date, being a 1/35 scale modeler (don't burn me) I am a big fan of the USMC Harriers and do want one of these. Also, while I'm here, could you please ask Trumpeter to please do a 1/35 Ka 52, or Mil 28, or even a Hind F? I've converted one Hind but think that is one negelected kit in terms of up date and knock on versions. Ditto the Chinook. Again, an up to date, current SF bird would have me pre-ordering now. cheers, Kylie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) A 1/32 Bf109G/K series? Why on earth are they wasting their time? I'm not one of the "we don't need another 109 kit" crowd, but the Hasegawa 1/32 G/K kits (and soon an F) are just about as good as it gets. I don't get these guys. That's a customer point of view which apparently isn't the same as the manufacturers point of view. It's as if the manufacturers think they are the only ones in the world. They seem to consider that they need to have popular subjects in their catalog even though other manufacturers already cover the same subject. Same with the incoming 1/72 Airfix MiG-15 when the HB kit exists. What I really don't get with Trumpeter is that they don't see the relation between a kit price and the accuracy the buyer can expect. Trumpeter kits prices have increased (I'm not taking in account the distributor's share) so only the adult experienced modellers can afford to buy the kits. Shape accuracy often matters to adult experienced modellers but Trumpeter doesn't seem to care... ok, perhaps didn't (I'm thinking about song's 1/32 Jaguar kit topic). The situation seems to be changing but I'm puzzled by the fact that situation ever occured. Edited November 23, 2009 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian P: Fightertown Decals Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Glad to see Trumpeter opening up to help/suggestions and feedback before releasing kits. I tried for months to get them to accept some advice and input on the F-14 kits... -brian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eagle_1 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 the pricing in the US is an effect from its local distributors and re-sellers. at the end shipping ain't cheap plus the insurance and everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Britaholic Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 An IL-2 in 1/32nd scale, Trumpeter have found the combination to my wallet ! Cheers Den Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THX1138 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Let's hope they spend all those months/years on getting the A-6 right. I'm already saving shelf space for this baby. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FIGHTS ON Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Thank-you Matt Roberts for posting. The whole LSP thread is an interesting read, not least the conclusion that for approx $60 these trumpeter kits are reasonably priced.....but that's the price in HK or Philippines. I am very encouraged that Trumpeter seem very keen to listen to advice (certainly the Jaguar thread on this site seems to support that). ...and the fabled A-6 Intruder....I will definitely be up for selling my children’s organs to raise the funding for one of them :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's as if the manufacturers think they are the only ones in the world. They seem to consider that they need to have popular subjects in their catalog even though other manufacturers already cover the same subject. It is even simpeler: a kit will come out if the manufacturer expects a profit from it. An Airfix MiG-15 or Bf 109 will simply make them money. That's all there is to it. Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B sin Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Ouch... Looks like Trumpy really dropped the ball on that Harrier. It seems like Trumpeter drops the ball most of the time. You should see what that did too the Su-24. It's quantity over quality with them. Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's great to see Trumpeter being willing to respond to its customers. That's a wonderful thing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticWeapons Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) The 1/32 A-6 Intruder is in the plans again? About time! I've been bugging Trumpy about it... However, the increased cost of the kit will prevent me from adding it to the stash, unless I decide to make a trip to the Philippines to visit family and maybe do a quick trip to Japan for some electronics shopping too! Hmm... Edited November 23, 2009 by PlasticWeapons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It seems like Trumpeter drops the ball most of the time. You should see what that did too the Su-24.It's quantity over quality with them. Brad I was thinking of contacting Mr. Dave Mason regarding Su-24. So maybe he can contact Mr.Jackson and maybe, if we are uber lucky, some faults will be corrected. This was said by Dave: When I first saw the test shot I pointed out about 50 descrepancies that needed to be corrected. They corrected most of them but a few got by. If they corrected the Harrier somewhat, maybe they will fix the fencer too. There is still time before the February release. I will send him email, and ask if it is possible to present the critique Su-24 is getting, so that he will maybe talk about it with Jackson. *If* he gives green light to me, i suggest that others also send their critique about Su-24. The bigger pressure, the better. (with that i don't mean pressure on Mr. Mason, but Jackson.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B sin Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Berkut, I'm with you! Brad :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Well, i did my part, and sent an e-mail regarding Su-24. (he did "allow" me) I am not an expert at all about floggers, so if someone could write to him about MiG-23, that would be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twhite80 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I will take a trumpeter kit with flaws over a non-existent kit without flaws. It seems like a lot of the innovative folks around here are good at coming up with resin fixes for inaccurate kits, so I don't worry too much about that. I would just really like a 1/32nd Intruder! After I get the 1/32nd F-14 D, and then I willl get the F-8, and F/A-18F. And before I can do all of that I need to win the freaking lottery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) I will take a trumpeter kit with flaws over a non-existent kit without flaws. It seems like a lot of the innovative folks around here are good at coming up with resin fixes for inaccurate kits, so I don't worry too much about that. I don't get this general opinion that we should buy correction sets, and spend lots of money for a kit that should have been correct from the start. Kenlilly106 summed it up quite nicely: Why should I have to pay extra to replace something they couldn't get right in the face of hard evidence to the contrary?That's like saying you bought a great new sports car but to get it to run correctly you have to replace part of the engine and suspension with aftermarket parts at your own expense. Ken Of course it is your choice, but i prefer to actually send email and try to *prevent* those mistakes. Seems more logical. Not to mention there is never a guaranty that there even will be a correction set made. And i am quite certain that for example Su-24 would never see a correction set. Edited November 24, 2009 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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