Laurent Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) I've found a nice attachment in a topic of the Airforce.ru forum: http://radikal.ru/F/s009.radikal.ru/i307/1...57ae94.jpg.html Which version is this and why ? The answer is in Airforce.ru topic but you can try to find the answer by yourself. Ps: forget the anachronic R-60 missile Edited March 31, 2011 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pollie Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Seeing how the canopy fits, it is obviously an Academy MiG-21..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Seeing how the canopy fits, it is obviously an Academy MiG-21..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 The majority of the (huge number of) voters can justify their choice (which happens to be correct) ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I voted MiG- 21FL becasue I thought that was the one that was sent to Indonesia in the Early 60's.... did it not have the NATO markings? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 longer/deeper tail - same as afghan ones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 longer/deeper tail - same as afghan ones Nope. The Iraqi MiG could be said to be a mid-life PFS urgently delivered from a Soviet unit... ... but there a little something that shows it isn't the case... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 so has anyone said the correct answer yet ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nemsy_29 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I think that this is mig-21FL. Difference between FL and PF is tail. This is MiG-21Fl And this is PF PF have tail like earlier versions of the mig-21, and FL have tail like newer versions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 I think that this is mig-21FL. Difference between FL and PF is tail.This is MiG-21Fl And this is PF PF have tail like earlier versions of the mig-21, and FL have tail like newer versions Ok but why is it not a PFS ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nemsy_29 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 They are same visually, but FL was export variant of PF for that countries like Iraq and other third world countries , of course downgraded, so i go with way of logic that this is FL. I don't know which versions did Iraq AF had (except those SMT that are in Serbia ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F106A Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 From Summer, 2008, these were still sitting at an old Iraqi airfield we use now. Not the greatest pic as I only had a couple seconds to take it. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 we know ur just itching to tell us, enlighten the masses! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 we know ur just itching to tell us, enlighten the masses! Put on your sunglasses then... tada !!! ... er yeah so what ? so the flap actuator coaming is visible below the wing because the aileron is down. In Fowler flapped MiG-21s (F-13, PF, FL, U), the actuator coaming is between the aileron and the flap. It isn't the case in the SPS flapped MiG-21s. So it isn't a MiG-21PFS, it isn't a PF because of the broad chord fin, so it's an FL. Enthralling aircraft identification experience hey ? Whatdayamean no ?!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 except those SMT that are in Serbia Are there photographs somewhere ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pollie Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Are there photographs somewhere ? The Iraqi ones in Batajnica are bis models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 The Iraqi ones in Batajnica are bis models. I found a link somewhere but I forgot to bookmark it. Bis spine and "narrow intake lip" so it's either a bis (very likely) or an SMT izd. 50bis (unlikely) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) I found a link somewhere but I forgot to bookmark it. Bis spine and "narrow intake lip" so it's either a bis (very likely) or an SMT izd. 50bis (unlikely) Found some photographs (but perhaps Nemsy 29 wasn't talking about these planes ?). Definitely "bis-SAU" because there are RSBN antennas visible. Source: http://forums.airforce.ru/showpost.php?p=7...p;postcount=163 Edited April 5, 2011 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergei Galicky, Russia Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Laurent, if speaking accurately, it's PFM / PFS with PF Canopy. With early seat KK-1. FL- export modification PF/PFS/PFM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergei Galicky, Russia Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Laurent, if speaking accurately, it's PFM / PFS with PF canopy. With early seat KK-1. FL- export modification PF/PFS/PFM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nemsy_29 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Yes those are that planes i have many photos of them. I read discussions on our local forums, for some those are SMT (in body of BIS) and for smoe it BIS-sau. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Laurent, if speaking accurately, it's PFM / PFS with PF canopy. With early seat KK-1. FL- export modification PF/PFS/PFM. Hello Sergei. I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. KK-1 seat in a MiG-21 ?!? Here's what I understand on 2nd gen MiGs: PF: small chord fin, brake chute below fuselage, Fowler flaps FL: wide chord fin, brake chute at fin base, Fowler flaps PFS: SPS flaps - early: single piece canopy, small chord fin, brake chute at fin base - mid: starting from aircraft 941001, single piece canopy, wide chord fin, brake chute at fin base - late: starting from aircraft 941221, two pieces canopy and KM-1 seat, wide chord fin, brake chute at fin base PFM: late PFS with improved avionics (IR tracker, weapon system coupling with radar). No external difference. Do you agree or not ? Laurent Edited April 5, 2011 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 for some those are SMT (in body of BIS) Are there photographs of these ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nemsy_29 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Here is one disputable text that bring confusion, yes those are that ex Iraq MiG-21 (there was several MiG-23 ML) And here is text from Lift Here decals manual book "When the Gulf war broke up in 1990, some MiG-21SMT and MiG-23ML combat planes were in process of overhauling in Yugoslav facilities... The MiG-21s from Iraq of are the SMT sub-type. They had wester orgin desert air-conditioning device installed. those a/c were used operationally in the Yugoslav AF units for some time with the desert camouflage, before their withdrawal from service." If they are wrong then i'm wrong too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 If they are wrong then i'm wrong too It's difficult to understand what has been done reading the AFM (?) article. Since all the Iraqi planes photographs have "narrow intake lip" and RSBN antennas, they really have bis characteristics. Perhaps these aircrafts where SMT 50bis aircrafts but the only way to know would have been to check the serial numbers on the planes. I doubt that any MiG-21 has been ever "respinned" (changing the early SMT spine to the mid SMT spine; for all I know it was done during production starting on aircraft 50MM07) but I don't have documentation to argument this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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