mirrage Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I am building a Hasegawa F-14 kit and due to space limitation I want to place the wings swept.So far so good...The problem is I want to make it sitting in front of a blast deffuser and attached or ready to be attached to the shuttle but I am not sure if this was a common practice or not. Would a Tomcat deploy its wings after it was lined up or far before? Some videos and photos I checked are not really helpful. Thank you all in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Not likely, by the time it would be lined up for a cat shot and the jet blast diffuser being set in the Up position the wings would be swept forward. But hey, it's your model, of course. HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Never say never... hold back bar attached, blast deflector up and just waiting for shuttle to be put in position http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=14163 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThudDriver Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Due to the tight space limitations on the carrier deck, it was SOP to move/taxi about with the wings swept fully aft until reaching the launch bridle hook point. It was at that point that they moved them forward and configured the a/c for launch. Your sought modeling configuration is very feasible indeed. Thuddriver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Thanks for the corrections! Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirrage Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 Thank you all for your help! scotthldr this is exactly the photo I was looking for. Btw...Are you greek mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiowafixer Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Very common on Cat 2 if they were recovering. As soon as the landing aircraft would get solid into the wire, they would sweep the Tomcat's wings out, drop the flaps, finish up the final checking, and shoot it off. Being final checker several times in this situation I can tell you it was a really cool dance. Now don't even get me started about final checking from the catwalks on Cat 4. KiowaFixer/FormerTomcatFixer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirrage Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 Very common on Cat 2 if they were recovering. As soon as the landing aircraft would get solid into the wire, they would sweep the Tomcat's wings out, drop the flaps, finish up the final checking, and shoot it off. Being final checker several times in this situation I can tell you it was a really cool dance. Now don't even get me started about final checking from the catwalks on Cat 4. KiowaFixer/FormerTomcatFixer What was different about Cat4??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Thank you all for your help! scotthldr this is exactly the photo I was looking for. Btw...Are you greek mate? Glad the pic is of use. Not Greek, Scottish with a keen interest in Hellenic military. If you look back over my topics you'll see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 HTH ... -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rank11 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) What was different about Cat4??? It runs right along the edge of the deck. Edited December 5, 2013 by Rank11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirrage Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) It runs right along the edge of the deck. Oh!I knew that but I thought because of it there was a different procedure. So nothing special other than it's position? Edited December 5, 2013 by mirrage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiowafixer Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The JBD couldn't be used on Cat 4 when Tomcats were on it, as such all aircraft had to be totally clear aft of the launching F-14 or the below video could be the result. For us final checkers, you had to do much of your checks from inside the catwalk and duck down below the deck edge so as not to get fried by the burner as it passed down the stroke. KiowaFixer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirrage Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 I didn't know that.Thank you for your time to explain to me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I thought F-14s had zero-zero ejection seats? In that video it looks like the RIO didn't get a fully opened chute before hitting the water, which is, what 60+ feet below deck? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) An appropriate vid for the thread ! Edited December 6, 2013 by Check Six Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirrage Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 Another question... When the engines are on idle would the intake ramps be in full open or in any other kind of configuration? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 An appropriate vid for the thread ! The first four minutes of that movie were great. The rest just sucked, unless you are up for the typical hollywood formulaic "hero wannabe with a chip on his shoulder/contrived romance/humor/action" popcorn flick. Now where is my copy of The Final Countdown, which really IS a time machine for me, transporting me back to the days when I was there. I remember when we watched Top Gun in the ready room on cruise and laughed at it. We thought they should make an S-3 movie just like it and call it Top Buoy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirrage Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 The first four minutes of that movie were great. The rest just sucked, unless you are up for the typical hollywood formulaic "hero wannabe with a chip on his shoulder/contrived romance/humor/action" popcorn flick. Now where is my copy of The Final Countdown, which really IS a time machine for me, transporting me back to the days when I was there. I remember when we watched Top Gun in the ready room on cruise and laughed at it. We thought they should make an S-3 movie just like it and call it Top Buoy. The movie is full of cliche but it has some nice air shots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) The first four minutes of that movie were great. The rest just sucked, unless you are up for the typical hollywood formulaic "hero wannabe with a chip on his shoulder/contrived romance/humor/action" popcorn flick. Now where is my copy of The Final Countdown, which really IS a time machine for me, transporting me back to the days when I was there. I remember when we watched Top Gun in the ready room on cruise and laughed at it. We thought they should make an S-3 movie just like it and call it Top Buoy. Words of truth ! I was living in San Diego during that time period. Being a former U.S. Navy brat I was privy to all military bases. I had fun pointing out the discrepancies in the film. A few of examples: The scene where Maverick give the belonging to Goose's wife; that was film at NTC San Diego, not NAS Mira Mar. The scene of Maverick riding his motorcycle along the flightline; To my knowledge that wouldn't be allowed! Also; said scene showed two angles of the same scene where the sun was in two positions six hours apart. The runway runs East-West and it is impossible to have the sun be low on the horizon on both ends of the runway at the same time. Most obvious, of course, was the use of an F-5's as the Soviet bogeys. Edited December 9, 2013 by Check Six Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 The JBD couldn't be used on Cat 4 when Tomcats were on it, as such all aircraft had to be totally clear aft of the launching F-14 or the below video could be the result. For us final checkers, you had to do much of your checks from inside the catwalk and duck down below the deck edge so as not to get fried by the burner as it passed down the stroke. KiowaFixer When I showed up on Indy...I remember seeing a F-14 stuffed in the back of the hangar with a big tarp over it's canopy area. That is this bird you see in the video. They finally lifter her off pier side believe. Cheers Collin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Words of truth ! I was living in San Diego during that time period. Being a former U.S. Navy brat I was privy to all military bases. I had fun pointing out the discrepancies in the film. A few of examples: The scene where Maverick give the belonging to Goose's wife; that was film at NTC San Diego, NAS Mira Mar. The scene of Maverick riding his motorcycle along the flightline; To my knowledge that wouldn't be allowed! Also; said scene showed two angles of the same scene where the sun was in two positions six hours apart. The runway runs East-West and it is impossible to have the sun be low on the horizon on both ends of the runway at the same time. Most obvious, of course, was the use of an F-5's as the Soviet bogeys. The O Club ladies room scene was filmed at NTC San Diego as well ... -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DET1460 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 The first four minutes of that movie were great. The rest just sucked, unless you are up for the typical hollywood formulaic "hero wannabe with a chip on his shoulder/contrived romance/humor/action" popcorn flick. Now where is my copy of The Final Countdown, which really IS a time machine for me, transporting me back to the days when I was there. I remember when we watched Top Gun in the ready room on cruise and laughed at it. We thought they should make an S-3 movie just like it and call it Top Buoy. Bad editing as well! Whenever 'Mav' cut the throttles he'd be slamming them forward. When he went for thrust he'd be pulling them back! Some good air to air scenes, but in general, the launches at the opening were my favorite parts as well... DET1460 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfgun33 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 When I showed up on Indy...I remember seeing a F-14 stuffed in the back of the hangar with a big tarp over it's canopy area. That is this bird you see in the video. They finally lifter her off pier side believe. Cheers Collin Out of curiosity, could that Tomcat (or any other aircraft for that matter) be returned to flying status after an ejection like that? I know it probably depends on the damage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redcorvette Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) Out of curiosity, could that Tomcat (or any other aircraft for that matter) be returned to flying status after an ejection like that? I know it probably depends on the damage. I personally know of a T-2, A-4, S-3, EA-6B and a F-14 that were returned to flight status after seats were accidentally fired (unfortunatley with fatalities with the T-2, A-4, and S-3). But as you mentioned, it also depends on the amount of damage incurred. I don't know about the F-14 in the video specifically, but since the nose gear ran off into the catwalk, I suspect there may have been some other damage. Mark Edited December 10, 2013 by redcorvette Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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