jfmajor60 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is there a big difference between the F4-F and F-4E cockpits? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 i think they are very look-alike... at least in a modeling point of view... Aires sell their 1/48 cockpit set as "1/48 F-4E/F cockpit set" this is, at least true for the non-ICE upgraded F-4F.... here's some link, so you can see by yourself...(those links are from "aviation.watergeek.eu") F-4E front office panel and consoles F-4E rear office panel and consoles F-4F front office panel and consoles F-4F rear office panel and consoles hope this helps a little Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmel Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 F-4Fs were very similar to a 'vanilla' F-4E prior to the ICE upgrade. However, non-vanilla F-4Es were quite a bit different in the aft cockpit (ARN-101 DMAS, etc). I have about 12 Modern Phantom Guides remaining in stock that shows the different cockpit layouts, vanilla vs. ARN-101, F-4F vs. F-4F ICE, etc. Jake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCOUT712 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) F-4Fs were very similar to a 'vanilla' F-4E prior to the ICE upgrade. However, non-vanilla F-4Es were quite a bit different in the aft cockpit (ARN-101 DMAS, etc). I have about 12 Modern Phantom Guides remaining in stock that shows the different cockpit layouts, vanilla vs. ARN-101, F-4F vs. F-4F ICE, etc. Jake Front pit was more or less the same in early years. Late F4E received the tape recorder right aft console which got away with the wet tape under the combining glass. Luftwaffe F´s first received the tape recorder on the Holloman birds (24? IIRC). They were all equipped when I arrived there in 99. Not sure when they started. When Holloman closed in 04, these 24 units went to Wittmund and were installed in 24 jets over there. Rest is minor. Rear pit Jake is correct for the ICE birds, lots of changes over early F´s and depending on timeframe rearangements and additions. THE BIG DIFFERENCE what EVERY kit and aftermarket company got wrong is the rear instrument panel. The instruments were differenty arranged so it had quite a different appearance/shape. The cover for the DSCG scope had a different shape than on E´s too. And the german MK7 seats had a totally different harness and oxygen system. Again try to get his Phantom guide and it explaines it very well. Scout Edited May 14, 2014 by SCOUT712 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 F-4Fs were very similar to a 'vanilla' F-4E prior to the ICE upgrade. However, non-vanilla F-4Es were quite a bit different in the aft cockpit (ARN-101 DMAS, etc). I have about 12 Modern Phantom Guides remaining in stock that shows the different cockpit layouts, vanilla vs. ARN-101, F-4F vs. F-4F ICE, etc. Jake Hi Jake, Does your publication cover Hellenic Airforce AUP F-4E's? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfmajor60 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Thanks guys I was looking at putting a true details F4-E pit in a Hase F4-F and I was hoping it was close. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCOUT712 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Hi Jake, Does your publication cover Hellenic Airforce AUP F-4E's? Yes it does. Thanks guys I was looking at putting a true details F4-E pit in a Hase F4-F and I was hoping it was close. Depending from what timeframe you want to build your F. The earlier the easier, but nothing some modelling skills cannot fix. Regards Scout Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfmajor60 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'll be finishing it in the 72 Norm scheme so I'm guessing it would be an early model F Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobiK Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Don't guess, you are right! Norm 72 is pre-ICE update. Soooo...let's make a call for the AM guys!! Give us a "F" update set: seats, rear IP for the ICE bird... There are still enough Hasegawa F-4F (also E, just add non slatted stabs) and Revell F-4F on the secondary market and in the stashs. Also decals like from Airdoc etc. to do a late german F-4F! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Don't guess, you are right! Norm 72 is pre-ICE update. Soooo...let's make a call for the AM guys!! Give us a "F" update set: seats, rear IP for the ICE bird... There are still enough Hasegawa F-4F (also E, just add non slatted stabs) and Revell F-4F on the secondary market and in the stashs. Also decals like from Airdoc etc. to do a late german F-4F! i totally agree with you... maybe a job for Wingman models??? (i have submitted them an inquiry about that subject a few seconds ago...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCOUT712 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'll be finishing it in the 72 Norm scheme so I'm guessing it would be an early model F Unlesse you do the flyout bird 38+10 you are correct. Only the RC IP needs to be changed. You´ll need some Aero 3B launchers (usually in the kits) and AIM-9B. Plus some dumb bombs (French/American origins). Plus you need to close the slots where the forward AIM-7 wings would go. The Luftwaffe did not buy the launchers due to lack of launch capability and installed covers instead of them. The rear fin slots stay open. Early Sargent Fletcher centerline tank and/or just wingtanks and off course smoking engines. Regards Scout Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfmajor60 Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Thanks Scout these are the two foward slots you are talking about? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeffreyK Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 My new canopy set includes the upper instrument box for the "F" as per ICE standard. You may still need to make changes to the main IP, depending on which cockpit you use, but you get that central box with the scope and compass as well as the command selector handle. Cheers Jeffrey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCOUT712 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Thanks Scout these are the two foward slots you are talking about? I am only talking about the slots where the missile forward fins would normally go, not the whole well. Sorry these are the pics I still have, they are from the Hopsten Flyout bird, but show them close up. Right forward: Right aft: Jakes book has good pics of Norm90 grey jets which might show them better. :thumbsup:/> Regards Scout Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfmajor60 Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 Ok gotcha THX Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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