SBARC Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I wonder if early humans came to North American 25,000 years ago across the ice bridge because they were curious.....or they were running from an aggressive tribe or perhaps their population numbers were causing them to "move 5 miles down the road to set up a new village" to deal with their growing populations. They also say early populations in North America probably migrated by boat......as they were people that lived off the sea. Recently in British Columbia footprints were found on Calvert Island that could be oldest in North America. Radiocarbon dating of debris next to the footprints shows footprints are 13,200 years old. Foot prints story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Wow... very cool! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It's ironic that nearly half of today's Americans would dismiss the study's outcome as impossible... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I wonder if early humans came to North American 25,000 years ago across the ice bridge because they were curious.....or they were running from an aggressive tribe or perhaps their population numbers were causing them to "move 5 miles down the road to set up a new village" to deal with I believe they were influenced by the ice growth that slowly expanded South. They kept a couple of steps ahead of it. It's funny: One can say that the first Americans (U.S.) were Canadians . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 What an amazing time that was.....no borders......you could go anywhere you wanted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vince14 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 What an amazing time that was.....no borders......you could go anywhere you wanted. You could go anywhere you wanted...within the limits of your 20 year life span! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChippyWho Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I must admit, it sort of taxes my imagination to consider the development of Homo Sapiens' territory out of Africa a couple of million years ago. OK, it was a very gradual thing, but Northern Europe must have been an eye-opener! " 'See a bit more of the world', you said; 'Get out of this endless, scorching heat', you said; 'It'll be FUN', you said...!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 What an amazing time that was.....no borders......you could go anywhere you wanted. Not to quibble a fine point, but in your first post you speculated that perhaps they were running from another aggressive tribe. Sounds an awful lot like borders to me. Just saying that I don't think borders are a modern man concept, or even a man made concept. It's natural to have aggressives and non-aggressivse and those that protect spaces. I doubt very seriously one tribe was openly welcome to go take the stock piles of food from another tribe after that tribe went out and risked life and limb working to collect that food. So, yeah there may not have been maps and "borders" per se, but I doubt it was just go and do what you wanted where ever you wanted, without fighting for it at least. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) I think were created borders when humanity settled and became farmers. When you are stationary, and depending on the area close to you for food, especially if you produce the food yourself with your hard labor, then you are going to want to defend that food from freeloaders who do not partake in the creation of said food. During the hunder-gatherer stage, man was nomadic and there was no attachment to a certain piece of land, so there were no borders. 25000 years ago, agriculture had not yet been invented, but 13-12000 years ago it was, and was starting to spread. Edited December 11, 2015 by erik_g Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor01 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Watch the documentary on before there was water in the Great Lakes. There are hunting kill zones in Lake Superior and Lake Huron. A lot more is unknown than known. John Edited December 11, 2015 by Raptor01 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It's ironic that nearly half of today's Americans would dismiss the study's outcome as impossible... How so? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 How so? New Earth creationists etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I think were created borders when humanity settled and became farmers. When you are stationary, and depending on the area close to you for food, especially if you produce the food yourself with your hard labor, then you are going to want to defend that food from freeloaders who do not partake in the creation of said food. During the hunder-gatherer stage, man was nomadic and there was no attachment to a certain piece of land, so there were no borders. 25000 years ago, agriculture had not yet been invented, but 13-12000 years ago it was, and was starting to spread. Yes, I guess in that respect it's true to say no borders. But you could also I guess look at it as moving borders. One group might migrate and move around to the next food source etc... But around that group I would imagine there was an area of protection from other groups that might infringe upon their space. Sort of like packs of animals work. They may not have a set place that is theirs, but they definitely set up borders when they are doing what they are doing. Depends on how you look at it I guess. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It's ironic that nearly half of today's Americans would dismiss the study's outcome as impossible... Oh, not necessarily....don't dismiss us quite so easily! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Wolves have been observed patrolling their "borders" ... Marking their territory ... It's not just a human construct ... Many species do it ... Steve, interesting topic ... -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Cartwright Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I believe they were influenced by the ice growth that slowly expanded South. They kept a couple of steps ahead of it. It's funny: One can say that the first Americans (U.S.) were Canadians . Wouldn't they have been Alaskans? :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 How so? Half or better of Americans can't be convinced by scientific facts, and an even higher proportion of those in elected office. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Wouldn't they have been Alaskans? :)/> Technically, they would be African's. We are all Africans. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Wouldn't they have been Alaskans? I was thinking on the Eastern Seaboard area where our (U.S.) ice age began that would carve out our Midwest and eventually end where we (U.S.) now call Lake Pend Oreille. The place where the giant glaciers parked and the reason Lake Pend Oreille is over 460m deep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Technically, they would be African's. We are all Africans. Good point. In a manner of speaking, that would be quite correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ro-Gar Hobbies Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 What is all this nonsense, you do realize we were put here by alien ships as a food stock. When they travel by, they pick some of us up to replenish their stores. :wacko: This is pretty cool stuff, I like reading the history of man and how they where able to survive, though a short survival. Robert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Fascinating subject, thanks for the link. Edited December 13, 2015 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Not to quibble a fine point, but in your first post you speculated that perhaps they were running from another aggressive tribe. Sounds an awful lot like borders to me. Just saying that I don't think borders are a modern man concept, or even a man made concept. It's natural to have aggressives and non-aggressivse and those that protect spaces. I doubt very seriously one tribe was openly welcome to go take the stock piles of food from another tribe after that tribe went out and risked life and limb working to collect that food. So, yeah there may not have been maps and "borders" per se, but I doubt it was just go and do what you wanted where ever you wanted, without fighting for it at least. Bill You do raise some very interesting points Bill. With regards to borders......I was referring to the first humans to enter North America (speculated time is about 25,000 years ago). For people in that time......it was a period of tribes and I'm sure there was aggressive tribes and peaceful tribes in Asia where they came from. I think there is a difference between tribal boundaries and modern borders with border patrols watching every mile of a border for intruders. Running from an aggressive tribe means they are pushing you out of your traditional territory with raiding parties. Basically they are bad neighbours and you've decided to move to a more peaceful location away from those neighbours. As has been stated....25,000 years ago there wasn't any farming and people were pretty mobile.....so it was easier to move to avoid hostile neighbours. The first people in North America would not find any borders or tribal boundaries, because there was no people....it was an empty continent. These were the people I was referring to.....they were moving into an unpopulated continent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 It's ironic that nearly half of today's Americans would dismiss the study's outcome as impossible... Not nearly as ironic as most native americans dismissing the ice bridge theory themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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