Fiddler Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Hello everybody, I was looking at some pictures of F-4Gs and noted that a cool load-out was a mix of an AGM-78 Standard with an AGM-45 Shrike on the inward wing pylons, no outer pylons and an ALQ-131 with 3 Sparrow in the missile bays. To be completed with a centerline F-15 style fueltank. However, in the early eighties there was a change of Sparrow models going from the F to the M. As far as I could see on the pictures, they look rather the same, but have white an grey body color respectively. As the M came available in 1982 and the Spangdahlem wing was in the front line of cold war, what would the probable conversion timeframe be to the M model. Or maybe they didn't for Phantoms and only for F-15A/C? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The AIM-7M was progressively introduced fleet wide during the 80's, so it's all down to timeframe you want to model. Early 80's would have seen the AIM-7F (white body) while during Dessert Storm the F-4G's carried grey with black wings AIM-7M's. The difference between the -F and the -M is hardly recongnizable on models. Some claim the difference lies in sharpness of the nose cone, but again - modelling this in 1/48 or 1/72 shouldn't cause any issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The AIM-7F were also grey in the 80's: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6437814 the main external difference between the F and M is the M had 4 target detectors near the nose while the F only had 2: AIM-7F: http://www.geocities.ws/ryanhothersall/AIM_7M7.jpg AIM-7M: http://images.military.com/media/equipment/ordnance/aim-7-sparrow/aim-7-sparrow-007.jpg This pic shows AIM-7Es loaded, the L on the wings identifies them as Es: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6389430 Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I was wondering if Euro1 Geasels had ever carried 2 AGM-78s at the same time (on inboard pylons)... I'd like to build a F-4G w/2 of these beasts... any help? I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spang Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Hi, During early eighties, i'm not sure about the ALQ-131, i think for an ALQ-119 or ALQ-184. SPang Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Alpagueur, Where did you find the picture/article of the F-4G you posted above? Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) I keep seeing the AIM-7M mentioned on the F-4, but as far as I know the best they carried on the F-4 was the AIM-7F, and that required modifications to happen. I'll have to check with some of the people at work that flew the F-4 and find out what they carried. Regards, Murph Edited July 23, 2016 by Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JEN722 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) I was wondering if Euro1 Geasels had ever carried 2 AGM-78s at the same time (on inboard pylons)... I'd like to build a F-4G w/2 of these beasts... any help? I don't think I have ever seen that configuration on a F-4G. I have seen it on Israeli F-4Es though (1982). Jens Edited July 23, 2016 by JEN722 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Alpagueur, Where did you find the picture/article of the F-4G you posted above? Gene K Hi Gene, I've simply googled "F-4G" + "AGM-78" and found this photo: http://model-scale.com/wp-content/uploads/Scale%20Aircraft%20Modelling%20-%20Vol%2025%20No%2006_files/Scale%20Aircraft%20Modelling%20-%20Vol%2025%20No%2006-138.jpg cheers. Edited July 23, 2016 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I don't think I have ever seen that configuration on a F-4G. I have seen it on Israeli F-4Es though (1982). and 1 AGM-78 (port) + 3 AGM-65 on a LAU-88 triple launcher (starboard)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Hi, During early eighties, i'm not sure about the ALQ-131, i think for an ALQ-119 or ALQ-184. SPang Early 1980s USAFE Phantoms carried ALQ-131. I saw plenty of them on Ramstein and Spangdahlem jets. Scott Wilson 526 AMU, 86 TFW Ramstein AB, W Germany 1983-1986 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Early 80's would have seen the AIM-7F (white body) while during Dessert Storm the F-4G's carried grey with black wings AIM-7M's. I was at Ramstein AB April 1983 through April 1986. We had AIM-7E-2 Sparrows painted white and AIM-7Fs painted gray. I'm sure Spangdahlem had similar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Early 1980s USAFE Phantoms carried ALQ-131. I saw plenty of them on Ramstein and Spangdahlem jets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I've simply googled "F-4G" + "AGM-78" and found this photo: Thanks, Ill try searching that site for the article. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 The AIM-7F had two target detecting devices (TDDs) located on the flanks of the seeker section (behind the radome) while the AIM-7M had four TDDs mounted in line with the wings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spang Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Early 1980s USAFE Phantoms carried ALQ-131. I saw plenty of them on Ramstein and Spangdahlem jets. Scott Wilson 526 AMU, 86 TFW Ramstein AB, W Germany 1983-1986 Hi Scott, I think ALQ-131 arrived later on Wild Weasel F-4. SPang Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Ill try searching that site for the article. Here's Stepehen DiNucci's September 2012 article on modeling the F-4G in 1/72 . Covers the OK Fujimi, the excellent Hasegawa, and the ho-hum Italeri(/Testors/Tamiya/Bilek). Reference is made to a Part II of the article, but it appears the site stopped posting after the October 2012 entry ... no Part II that I could find. Yes, in 1/72 we definitely need a Hasegawa F-4G reissue ... or a new Academy F-4E/G. Gene K Edited July 25, 2016 by Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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